We also met a French researcher who informed us of very cool upcoming mixed-reality opera in FrancoGrid. Read on for all the details!
As usual, the first half of the meeting was spent introducing ourselves to each other and discussing everyone’s various interests and virtual world projects. Read on for a full transcript, pics, and lots of exciting information about great new changes coming to the Hypergrid.
We begin on the island of Pathlandia on jokaydiaGRID.
Pathfinder Lester: ok, we can start. Welcome everyone. Thank you for coming.
Pathfinder Lester: be sure to keep an eye on our HGAC calendar and the #HGAC hashtag on Twitter
Pathfinder Lester: the calendar is on the HGAC homepage at http://bit.ly/adventurers-club
Pathfinder Lester: and I started a Facebook thingy if folks want to participate on fb
Pathfinder Lester: the link is also on the HGAC homepage
Pathfinder Lester: hi Baldi and Jokay!
Baldi McMillan: Hello!
Angelle AARISS: Hi Jokay!
Baldi McMillan: Good to see you!
Jokay Wollongong: hey everyone!
Pim Peccable: Hiya Jokay
Pathfinder Lester: welcome James!
Jokay Wollongong: great to see yet more intrepid adventurers.. hehe
Esko Lius: hi!
Pathfinder Lester: Jokay, indeed!
Pathfinder Lester: at the start of every meeting, we all briefly introduce ourselves.
Pathfinder Lester: so just type in open chat whatever you want to share. you can all type at once. i will post a transcript of this meeting so you can review what everyone said later if you like.
Mal Burns: Metaverse News Aggreator & Broadcaster
Pathfinder Lester: and if you do NOT want your chat put online in my transcript, please just tell me.
Mal Burns: http://twitter.com/malburns and http://mbtv.live.nu
James Corbett: Thanks
James Corbett: On a netbook here so struggling to type
Pathfinder Lester: no worries James. we’re a patient bunch.
Terry Beaubois: Terry Beaubois in RL, Director of the Creative Research Lab in the College of Arts & Architecture at Montana State University, teaching in SL since 2005.
James Corbett: James Corbett, founder of Daynuv which develops virtual worlds for education and training
Baldi McMillan: I am Baldi from SL and eager to learn and evplore the Hypergrid…first day here so I feel even more a noob than usual good to meet you all!;-)
Yolanda Hirvi: I am from Finland and I have worked for Finnish education in SL as a contract builder and designer and now expanding to other virtual worlds.
Pim Peccable: I’m not at work today because my wife is a bit more ill than usual, so I may AFK w/o notice but I’ll catch up
James Corbett: Supported by Social Entrepreneurs Ireland to focus on applications for children with intellectual and physical disabilities
florenze kerensky: started in vrml worlds in 2000 then entered sl in 2004. host a show and tell in sl since 2006 that draws weekly crowd of 40-60 peeps
Mel Blauvelt: Philosopher, sculptor, Science Circle board member, from Belgium
Pim Peccable: I should probably share this at the Brigadoon Explorers Meeting tonight
Coyote Longfall: Coyote Longfall, working with the Four Bridges group and Veterans For Peace – both in the real world and SL so far, though we’re expanding into other grids, I’m in the US, though Four Bridges is international
Jokay Wollongong: Jo Kay irl – grid owner, virtual worlds facilitator, edutechnologist
Pathfinder Lester: great to see you again Maria
Maria Korolov: hi all, this is Maria Korolov again… running a bit late so still haven’t brought my normal avatar over here…
Maria Korolov: hi again pathfinder!
Jokay Wollongong: hey maria
Pim Peccable: I’m the unnoficial one. I have been active in Dreams sim of SL for years. (pathfinder know it well)
Pathfinder Lester: Pim,
Esko Lius: hi again, imprudence threw me out… I’m Esko Lius, ISL Esko Levee, digital communications manager in vocational school Omnia in Finland, sim owner ISL
Maria Korolov: this week, i’m working on getting all the listings updated in Hyperica — all the HG addresses changed for many grids — and in putting up the first gates in our hyperport. we’ve been waiting for HG 1.5 and MOAP to come out…
Mal Burns: Great Maria
Pathfinder Lester: that’s outstanding, Maria
Jokay Wollongong: indeed.. awesome
Angelle AARISS: Very nice, Maria!
Angelle AARISS: Nice to see you, too!
Pim Peccable: Thanks for that project Maria
Maria Korolov: 300+ active destinations … expect that to go up 10-fold this month, based on the number of new regions now HG-enabled
Pathfinder Lester: it’s great to see everyone’s wide range of interests and projects in virtual worlds here
Pathfinder Lester: to start, since you mentioned Hyperica, Maria do you want to tell folks more about that resource?
Maria Korolov: sure.
Maria Korolov: http://www.hyperica.com
Maria Korolov: a manually-curated directory of Hypergrid-enabled destinations
Maria Korolov: currently covering more than 50 grids
Maria Korolov: but the address are now out of date, since the latest release of OpenSim changed the way they do HG URLs
Maria Korolov: previously, it was something like: 123.456.234.788:10015/region_name
Maria Korolov: now it’s much nicer — hg.osgrid.org:80:region_name
Maria Korolov: grid:port:region
Pathfinder Lester: wow, that rocks
Pathfinder Lester loves logical standards
Jokay Wollongong: agrees!
Angelle AARISS: That sure is a lot better than numbers, Maria.
Maria Korolov: but this only applies to grids on OpenSim 0.7 and HG 1.5
Pim Peccable: you still sometimes “can’t get there from here” though
Maria Korolov: not to reactionGrid and all the grids they host, which are still on 6.9 or earlier and HG 1.0
Maria Korolov: so you can’t jump from here to there
Baldi McMillan: but at least a standard seems to be implimented
Angelle AARISS: That’s a very good beginning.
Maria Korolov: the discontinuities are getting less and less frequent, however — a year ago, every new release was incompatible with previous ones. now, it’s just the ones with a big, substantial change, like HG 1.0 to HG 1.5
Angelle AARISS: It will continue to improve, no doubt.
Maria Korolov: there will be another big change coming up with they move to HG 2.0 which will be super-secure, but will need work on the client side, so will take them al ong time. until then, we SHOULD have smooth hypergridding for a while!
Maria Korolov: i hope!
Pathfinder Lester: we’re very lucky to have Maria here
Pathfinder Lester: she’s a real expert on all this.
Mal Burns: yes indeed
Coyote Longfall: we are technically using alpha software – not even beta yet for OS anyway
Pathfinder Lester: thank you so much for coming to our meetings and sharing all this.
Coyote Longfall: it’s amazing how stable it is really
Maria Korolov: after HG 2.0 comes out — and OpenSim leaves “alpha software” — they will pay MUCH more attention to retaining backwards compatibility
James Corbett: Absolutely, I’d be lost without Maria’s articles for reference
Angelle AARISS: Maria has been very helpful to me in her clear explanations.
Pim Peccable: wow, we ARE pioneers
Angelle AARISS: Grateful for that, too, Maria.
Maria Korolov: they’re calling it alpha so that they can roll out all the changes as fast as they can without breaking all the hyperlinks
Angelle AARISS: Yes!
Pathfinder Lester: speaking of articles, be sure to see this one. it paints a picture of where the hypergrid is headed. http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/10/paper-hypergrid-allows-virtual-world-to-grow-without-limit/
Maria Korolov: maintaining backwards compatiblity will slow them down — so I’m not too worried about this I’d rather they get all this done early, before there are large numbers of users here
Pathfinder Lester agrees
Pathfinder Lester: oh, and if anyone wants a HGAC t shirt….
Pathfinder Lester: there’s a cube to my left that has ‘em
Pathfinder Lester: thank Cider Jack for putting that al together for us
Jokay Wollongong: super stylish.. hehe
Maria Korolov: if anyone has any questions about this, please ask — i love talking about this!
Pathfinder Lester: i love how the shirts have the #HGAC twitter hashtag on them. great way to see what’s up with our club.
Pathfinder Lester: i have a question
Pathfinder Lester: about the HyperGates. how do they fit into all this? and who maintains them?
Mel Blauvelt: What exactly is the difference between Hypergrid and VWRAP Maria?
Mal Burns: oh yes – wondered that
Maria Korolov: the hypergates is a network that’s owned by Kidd Piko
Jokay Wollongong: http://thehypergates.com/
Pim Peccable: Best stay on Mr Piko’s good side
Maria Korolov: she — or he — gives out the gates for free. when you put it down on your land, the gate automatically communicates with Kidd’s database and adds your region to the list
Jokay Wollongong: based at Stamina grid where you can find some rather nice hair
Pathfinder Lester: while folks chat, I’m going to pass out a notecard to everyone
— Contents of Notecard —
Before doing any Hypergrid jumps, be sure you have set your Home location and have relogged since you set it. If you don’t, Hypergrid jumps will not work. This appears to be a bug.
Many people find the Imprudence viewer to be very good for using with both SL and other grids. You can find it here: http://imprudenceviewer.org/
*** How to make Hypergrid Jumps in 4 easy steps ***
1) Open your World Map.
2) In the text box next to the Search button, enter the Hypergrid Address.
3) Click the Search button and wait for the map to move to the jump region.
4) Click the Teleport button.
*** Our Starting Location ***
Hypergrid Address: jokaydia.metaverseworlds.com:9000:pathlandia
Grid Location: jokaydiaGRID (Lower)
Hypergrid Address: jokaydia.metaverseworlds.com:9010
Grid Location: ReactionGrid (Lower)
Hypergrid Address: 184.108.40.206:9000:Imagine Metaverse Core
Grid Location: MetaverseNexus (Middle)
Hypergrid Address: eos.francogrid.net:11200
Grid Location: FrancoGrid (Upper)
Once you’re on FrancoGrid, open the world map and tp to the regions:
“Ile au freebies” freebies!
“Nice” free trees
“Vallon” see if you can find Hamster Land!
jokaydiaGRID has a Newbie Dome for folks to pick up freebies that can help them get started. If you find any good freebies in your Hypergrid travels that you’d like to share, you can put them in the Newbie Dome. There’s currently a lack of many good outfits and items for male avatars, so it would be great if we could find more items like that to share.
— End of Notecard —
Maria Korolov: so there’s a scalability issue there — you wind up having this long list of destinations to choose from. no descriptions, no photos
Maria Korolov: also, it only indexes the region where people put up gates
Maria Korolov: on the plus side, she keeps the HG 1.0 separate from the HG 1.5
Maria Korolov: I’ve given her permission to use the descriptions and categories in Hyperica
Jokay Wollongong: agrees with maria.. they are a nice symbol for hypergridding.. but they are a bit clunky.. easier to map and teleport
Maria Korolov: so as MOAP comes out, she might integrate that, may make the gates more usable
Jokay Wollongong: cool factor high, usuability factor variable
Maria Korolov: my plan with Hyperica is to create a hyperport similar to an airport – you walk around, see signs promoting different grids, teleport to places that seem interesting
James Corbett: Sorry, what’s MOAP?
Maria Korolov: moap is media-on-a-prim. it’s available with OpensSim 0.7 and HG 1.5
Terry Beaubois: nice Maria.
Yolanda Hirvi: that would be great Maria
Maria Korolov: you can put a webpage — an interactive webpage — on a prim
Esko Lius: like shared media?
James Corbett: Ah, of course
Maria Korolov: and just click on the links in that page to do a hypergrid jump
Maria Korolov: yes, it’s another name for shared media
Esko Lius: very useful, that is
Maria Korolov: you guys don’t have it yet — reactiongrid hasn’t upgraded its clients
Maria Korolov: but its coming soon
Maria Korolov: someone asked about VWRAP…
Pim Peccable: Nice to have it without SL Viwer 2
Mal Burns: yep – cant wait for that on RG
Jokay Wollongong: yes.. we’re waiting for the RG grid ninjas to finish testing.. so we have a nice smooth stable transition.. we’ll have news on dates on that soon
Maria Korolov: VWRAP is a cross-platform effort, led by ex-lindedn Meadh Hamrick
Maria Korolov: the idea is that you can pull in different things from different places — pull in your avatar appearance from, say, evolver…
Coyote Longfall: relogging after setting home to here, brb
Maria Korolov: pull in your identity from, say, OpenID
Maria Korolov: pull in your friends from, say, facebook
Jokay Wollongong: indeed angelle
Maria Korolov: pull in your inventory, from, say, OSGrid
Angelle AARISS: Everyone is working very diligently on each issue.
Pim Peccable: wow, that’s a LOT of connectivity!
Maria Korolov: VWRAP is at least a couple fof years away from having something that works, they tell me
Maria Korolov: so they may well wind up being sidelined by OpenSim and hypergrid development
Maria Korolov: for example, OpenSim can simply build in a link to an outside avatar source
Maria Korolov: jsut as you can now pull in textures from the wb
Maria Korolov: and facebook could be integrated in by using in-world objects
Maria Korolov: you could carry a watch around with you, say, that shows you if your facebook friends are near by… the FaceBook API makes this possible
Pathfinder Lester: nice
Pathfinder Lester dreams
Maria Korolov: and you could use the Facebook IM system instead of the OpenSim IM system
Maria Korolov: technically, there’s nothing to step someone from building that tomorrow
Maria Korolov: which means, there’s a kid in a basement somewhere who’s writing the app right now
Mal Burns: eek – all those facebookers – i have thousands i think!
Mel Blauvelt: kind of bitter sweet to not have Facebook at the moment, ha!
Maria Korolov: in fact, there’s probably a facebook integration app out there already.. i know there are twitter integration apps for opensim — they just need a facelift, a better user interface, and a marketing push
Pathfinder Lester: wow
Terry Beaubois: amazing
Pathfinder Lester: the future will be very interesting
Maria Korolov: the only technical problem that opensim has right now that needs to be addressed — other than voice and physics, which they’re working on — is SSL encryption
Pim Peccable: Ordinal had a Twitter HUD in SL (script was Open source) but the API update killed it
Maria Korolov: once you’ve got SSL support in OpenSim, you can do native in-world commerce iwthout having to have a second website confirmation step — and all sorts of other things become possible as well
Mal Burns: I have ordinal TwitterBox in both RG and SL – but twitter have changed protocols and is buggy right now
Maria Korolov: SSL will allow secure content to be shared. in-world banking services. credit card payments. all sorts of stuff.
Pathfinder Lester: amazing
Maria Korolov: i expect a lot of people will be making millions — or billions — in here in about five years
Pim Peccable: Cool Mal, I thought it stopped working altogether
Maria Korolov: and there will be a big bubble starting about three years from now
Maria Korolov: once the results of the first round of business projects are out and people start using it for real
Pim Peccable: it’s the burst of that bubble that one needs to predict
Pathfinder Lester: always the case with all bubbles. timing.
Pim Peccable: all sounds really cool though, Maria
James Corbett: Yes, virtual worlds have just gone through the Gartner cycle trough of dissilusionment
Maria Korolov: yeah, if you do a sim-com startup, sell out right at the peak of the bubble, then start your next one right after the crash, when properties and people are cheap
Maria Korolov: then settle for nice, steady growth
Mel Blauvelt: paging Andy Beal, brb
James Corbett: Ah, ‘simcom’ replaces ‘dotcom’… I like
Pathfinder Lester: here’s a link to Gartner’s latest version of the hype cycle. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1232/5103168181_26098e0988_b.jpg
Maria Korolov: actually, there’s investor interest already… i’m hearing of commercial projects of around $20 million in OpenSim
James Corbett: The NASA Moon Base budget was a milestone IMHO – $1/4m
James Corbett: I should say the NASA *opensim* moon base
Maria Korolov: james: yeah, that is a cool project. i also like the $800,000 for the opensim addiction treatment center
Pathfinder Lester: now we enter the portion of our meeting for touring!
Terry Beaubois: Thank you Maria.
Pathfinder Lester: pls open the notecard I handed out
Maria Korolov: yw
Pathfinder Lester: yes, Maria, thank you so much for all that info!
Pathfinder Lester: it’s so helpful to folks here
Pathfinder Lester: in the notecard, you see 3 jumps, and a little explanation of how to jump in 4 easy steps
Pathfinder Lester: our final destination is FrancoGrid
Maria Korolov: and a reminder: you can jump by clicking on the address in local chat
Pathfinder Lester: and if you look to my left, you’ll see an interesting map
Mal Burns: is it a race lol? say when!
Pathfinder Lester: it’s a recreation of the real life topography of France
Pathfinder Lester: i thought we could all head for the region “France Centre”
Pathfinder Lester: and in my notecard, I have names of some other regions you might want to check out later, too
Pathfinder Lester: good place for freebies, a place with nice freebie trees, and a Hamster Land that is just silly and fun.
Pathfinder Lester: but let’s all shoot for making it to the region “France Centre” first. sound good?
Mal Burns: ok
Pathfinder Lester: And remember…..
Pathfinder Lester: Before doing any Hypergrid jumps, be sure you have set your Home location and have relogged since you set it. If you don’t, Hypergrid jumps will not work. This appears to be a bug.
Jokay Wollongong: all good and do yell out if anyone needs help
Pathfinder Lester: feel free to set your home to here if you wish.
Pathfinder Lester: if you have problems, just post something in #HGAC and folks can help out
Pathfinder Lester: see you all on France Centre in FrancoGrid!
The group hypergrid jumps from jokaydiaGRID to ReactionGrid
Pathfinder.Lester : woot
Maria.Korolov : there you go!
Pathfinder.Lester : we are on ReactionGrid now
Pathfinder.Lester : welcome to ReactionGrid
James.Corbett : Wohooo, made it…. I’m a hypernaut
Maria.Korolov : congrats, james!
Pathfinder.Lester : James, yay!
Maria.Korolov : that wasn’t so hard now, was it!
Pathfinder.Lester : lol
Pim.Peccable : hehe
Pathfinder.Lester : ok, heading to jump #2
James.Corbett : Not hard when we’ve got so much great help… but boy did this stuff confuse the hell out of me a year ago
The group hypergrid jumps from ReactionGrid to MetaverseNexus grid.
Pathfinder.Lester : welcome to the grid MetaverseNexus. jump point #2!
Maria.Korolov : next address: secondlife://eos.francogrid.net:11200/
Pathfinder.Lester : once you get to that grid, local TP to “France Centre”
Pathfinder.Lester : see you all there!
Pathfinder.Lester : uh oh
Pathfinder.Lester : can’t seem to make the jump
Pathfinder.Lester : oh there we go
Pathfinder.Lester : it loaded on the map the 2nd time I searched for it
Coyote.Longfall : I’m pasting
Coyote.Longfall : eos.francogrid.net:11200
The group hypergrid jumps from MetaverseNexus grid to FrancoGrid.
Coyote.Longfall : Wow. I’m wowing it.
Pathfinder.Lester : success!
Maria.Korolov : hi coyote
Maria.Korolov : hi pathfinder
Coyote.Longfall : hello
Maria.Korolov : seems that map-search works more often than clicking the link in local chat…
Maria.Korolov : i’ll let diva and justin know
Pathfinder.Lester : Maria, yes I’ve found that to be the case as well.
Coyote.Longfall : interesting
Maria.Korolov : they us two different mechanisms — map teleport and OSTeleport functions
Pathfinder.Lester : i wonder if the folks who set up all these regions will recreate tiny cities to scale with the terrain of RL France
Pathfinder.Lester : that would be a trip
Maria.Korolov : i would love to see that — but apparently French folks are no different than folks in any other country, and they’re sick of their own tourism destinations and want to build cool new stuff
Pathfinder.Lester : lol
Maria.Korolov : though there is one project to build the eiffel tower from to-scale architectural drawings — which is very nice
Pathfinder.Lester : i’m just so impressed they made the terrain accurate to RL and just scaled it al down
Maria.Korolov : i think we may have lost a bunch of people who didn’t hear you mention France Centre — the notecard you gave says ile something…
Pathfinder.Lester : oh ya
Pathfinder.Lester : hmmm
Maria.Korolov : Ile au freebies
Pathfinder.Lester looks at world map for green dots
Maria.Korolov : yup, there’s a couple of folks there
Maria.Korolov : i’ll head over as well
Pathfinder.Lester : i bet folks are making a beeline to get cool freebies.
The group is scattered while exploring freebie trees and Hamster Land. Some of us hold down the fort on the France Centre region.
Someone walks up to us.
Pathfinder.Lester : Salut Gehan
Coyote.Longfall : Hallo
Gehan Kamachi: bonjour
Gehan Kamachi: hello
Pathfinder.Lester : nice to meet you Gehan.
Gehan Kamachi: me too, I just see your tweet
Pathfinder.Lester : is this your home grid?
Gehan Kamachi: no, but i know peoples who are in charge of this project
Gehan Kamachi: sorry for my english, i work it ^^
Pathfinder.Lester : your english is good, no problem
Gehan Kamachi: but i do researchs on virtual worlds
Gehan Kamachi: so, i just do a tour here
Pathfinder.Lester : Gehan, you are living in France?
Gehan Kamachi: yes
Gehan Kamachi: but, i will come in the US in december
Gehan Kamachi: to work at the UCSD (San Diego) with Lev Manovich for six months
Pathfinder.Lester : very cool
Gehan Kamachi: yes, i hope
Coyote.Longfall : oh really? I’m from San Diego but live in North Carolina now
Pathfinder.Lester : hello Jokay
Gehan Kamachi: hello jokay
Jokay.Wollongong : hihi
Pathfinder.Lester : Gehan saw my tweet. He’s from France and decided to come visit uts.
Coyote.Longfall : My mother worked adjoining the UCSD campus for 25 years
Jokay.Wollongong : i think most people made it to franco.. woot
Jokay.Wollongong : oh way cool.. thanks Gehan!
Pathfinder.Lester : Hi florenze
florenze.kerensky : finally heeh
florenze.kerensky : missed the local and got on a uptown express!!!
Jokay.Wollongong : well done florenze.. today’s patience and persistance prize goes to you
Pathfinder.Lester : lol
Gehan Kamachi: funny coincidence (?) for your mother coyote
Jokay.Wollongong : ok.. im going to go and sneak in a quick nap before the league of worlds thingy..
Pathfinder.Lester : i love coincidences like that
Pathfinder.Lester : Jokay, oh that’s today!
Jokay.Wollongong : 4am here.. eeeek!
Coyote.Longfall : yes – she worked at the VA hospital, which adjoins UCSD Medical Center
Jokay.Wollongong : yup i think so
Pathfinder.Lester : i want to attend some of that.
Coyote.Longfall : bridge connects the buildings
Gehan Kamachi: yes, francogrid is a very good project, but people people are not always present
Pathfinder.Lester : well, it is a beautiful place to explore
Coyote.Longfall : league of worlds?
Jokay.Wollongong : http://www.leagueofworlds.com/
Jokay.Wollongong : kk.. well done all.. im off for a quick rest.. seeya later on! and happy hypergridding
Pathfinder.Lester : take care Jokay
Jokay.Wollongong : *waves*
florenze.kerensky : thanks jokay
Pathfinder.Lester : i’m happy you made it here florenze. having fun hypergrid jumping?
florenze.kerensky : lol yes
Pathfinder.Lester : yay
florenze.kerensky : have done a bit but on the 1.5 grid
florenze.kerensky : seems i have more issues doing it here
Gehan Kamachi: but, if you are interested by francogrid, ils vont faire la retransmission d’un opéra (+ jeu d’acteurs) and in Second Life (during a opera in real time)
Pathfinder.Lester : very cool, Gehan
Gehan Kamachi: I try to follow the conversation in English
Gehan Kamachi: ^^
Pathfinder.Lester : is there a website for the opera so I can learn more and attend?
Coyote.Longfall : ^-^
Pathfinder.Lester : is there a website for the opera so I can learn more and attend?
Gehan Kamachi: sure, http://francogrid.org/evenements/francogrid/110
Pathfinder.Lester : oh cool
Mixed-reality Opera in France and Opensim. This really is cool. Way cool.
Pathfinder.Lester : ty
Pathfinder.Lester : and now i must leave too.
Pathfinder.Lester : Take care, florenze, Coyote
florenze.kerensky : ty for hosting pathfinder
florenze.kerensky : take care
Pathfinder.Lester : Very nice to meet you, Gehan. Thank you for visiting us!
Coyote.Longfall : I’m logging as well – see you all soon
florenze.kerensky : i need to find hair lol
florenze.kerensky : have good day
Pathfinder.Lester : Have a good day, everyone. Au revoir!
Gehan Kamachi: thanks you too
So ends the second meeting and excursion of the Hypergrid Adventurers Club. Join us again soon!
-John “Pathfinder” Lester